EastEnders Update: Inside The Actor’s Studio – Daniella Westbrook

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Once again, Watch With Mothers enables us to take a look behind the metaphysical curtain of disbelief-suspension, unshrouding the machinery of thespianism and removing the cloak of stage mystery. Using the UK’s premier drama series – a show whose very title has become a byword for ‘believability’ – we take our example from the fictitious realm of Walford, and pluck one of the show’s more devastating performer’s out in solitude in order to better examine her acting methodology – so that we might learn a thing or two from her craft.

I jest – of course. From this example we can take nothing but inspiration. Anyone attempting to affect or mimic the excellence on display here would be as chaotic in conveying their doomed offering as a child in an unscripted free-for-all, who has just received a disorientating blow to the brain.

Look and wonder.

Emotion 1 – ‘I query your statement’

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In this scene, Ms. Westbrook appears to channel the fundamental question of her very existence through the expressive canvas of her forehead and the subtle curvature of her lower lip. By creasing the bunched muscle at the top of her nose and disrupting the symmetry of her lower jaw, she reaches into our collective chest and wrestles with our hearts.

Emotion 2 – ‘A Fool Discovered’

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Transferring a sense of wistful longing for the time before her character’s numerous acts of infidelity, Ms. Westbrook cannily distorts her brow into a fold of creases and angles her lower mandible – the facial disruption thrusting her emotion toward the deep shag carpet which envelops her slippered feet.

Emotion 3 – ‘Rage Unbounded’

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Here Ms. Westbrook becomes rage. She positions herself within the eye of a storm and causes mayhem with just the subtle movement of one or two facial muscles. To accurately define the fury of Sam Mitchell, she warps her eyebrows into an evil frown and skews her bottom lip a bit.

Emotion 4 – ‘Rampant Disbelief’

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Her character is incredulous, and the face says it all. In order to instil a sense of outright disbelief, Ms Westbrook makes her eyebrows look all cross again. And twists her lips up.

Emotion 5 – ‘Persuasive Love’

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To keep Ricky by her side after her many betrayals, Ms Westbrook attempts to show a soft and sensuous side to Sam Mitchell’s persona. She does this by pulling the same expression as a British Bulldog eating its own poo. Again.

Next Week: Perry Fenwick.

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  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    And she used to be such a pretty little thing, she’s now got a face like a bombed abattoir. I suppose that’s what too much sniff and a rotten temper does to a person fizzog.

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Surely emotion one is the very epitome of the phrase ‘a bulldog sucking piss from a nettle’?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Doesn’t stop her putting it about the Square, mind you.

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    And emotion 3 has to be the same bulldog (still with the bitter taset of piss and nettles in its mouth) chewing a wasp?

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    *Has now read the last sentence in the text*
    Ah, er i thought i was being wittily observant, but it turns out that I was merely parroting a better mind. Sorry about that swines.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Noooo problem. Not sure about ‘better’ though.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Nice work.
     
    Although that’s still four more emotions than Joseph Fiennes in FlashForward whose repertoire runs the whole gamut from man-straining-to-hold-in-potentially-pant-moistening-fart-in-board-meeting to man-straining-to-hold-in-potentially-pant-moistening-fart-in-board-meeting.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Blammo, 4*. Right on. I keep on expecting him also, at every moment, to become Uncle Monty and go “It’s gawwwwn…” Leave your Hamlet face by the door, Jo-Jo.
     
    Poor old Danniella. She looks like the evil baby with the unibrow from the Simpsons.

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    JRME – I don’t know that particular baby, but that comment has triggered a long-held suspicion that Daniella Westbrook was one of the puppets from the Child’s Play/Chucky stable

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    *ahem, I meqant triggered the memory of a long-held suspicion, otherwise I would have held it for a mere 5 minutes!

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Ah, Daniella Westbrook. The thinking Klingon’s crumpet.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    (says the man sitting here with a face like a bag of bruised apples)

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Admittedly I too have a wonky face – like a punched and swollen Nicholas Lyndhurst.

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    What, covered in all wasps Fawny?
    Until last week, I had thought that you are a lady. It is because your name has a sonnerist lady name.
    I am odd.

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    *spoonerist.
     
    Not only am I odd, my piss poor proof reading makes me look subnormal. Gah.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Mel, you lowland-based genius! That’s the one.  Evil Baby vs Chucky Doll. But which one is the better Westbrook lookalike? There’s only one way to find out…
     
    ..look at them both and decide that’s it’s the Chucky doll. Thanks for playing.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    *throws in chips*

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Wow, people, people, please! Don’t all be so hard on yourselves! Let’s all think of one positive thing about our appearance and repeat it a few times. *punches self in face*
     
    Ooh, I look much better now.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Wish I’d read this instructional acting post before me and the missus went to a quiz show audition on Friday. We were told to look happy when we got a right answer and distraught when we got one wrong.  I think I went too far in breaking down and sobbing when we didn’t win, mind.

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    No thanks, swines I have already eaten.
     
    JRME – I love how the Chucky in this picture appears to have a Nick Cave-style widow’s peak.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Did you really go to a quiz show audition? Or was that a lie to bolster your quip?

    If so – which quiz?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    *throws in some more chips*

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    WHADDUP!

    I’m going to fucking Wales in two weeks to watch has-been rock bands perform in a holiday concentration camp. Thanks to Dr. Beeching I have to go to Stockport, then Crewe, then Chester to get there on the train, which STINKS.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    I’d like to translate SW’s excellent descriptions into their cockerknee equivalent
    Pic 1  “Come again?”
    Pic 2  “Ow could e?”
    Pic 3  “I’ll fucking do ‘im!”
    Pic 4  “Do what?”
    Pic 5  “Please, I’w do anyfink!”
     

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Which bands, which bands?

    Will REO Speedwagon be there?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    *tries to look innocent with half a chip hanging out of side of mouth*
     
    Actually, it is gone lunchtime. FUD.

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Bah Nappers, I have to go to fucking Copenhagen in 2 weeks time, and am likely to be staying in a wharehouse, becuase there appears to be no room at the inn. In a warehouse. In Denmark. In winter.
    However, I can get on a train here and then get off in the town of my destination. So, maybe that is a bit better.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Hang on, I’ll check …

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Swines – I’ve never bolstered my quip in my life and I’ll thank you not to cast such aspersions. It was for Pointless – an unhumorous account of the day can be found here – http://bit.ly/6khiRA

    Trouble was the other contestants had personalities – damn them!

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Christ! This is worse than I thought. I’m seeing these buggers.

  • grogee
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    WHADDUP!
    Napoleon, I was in Crewe station not long ago. It confirmed all my suspicions about The North.
    Is one of the bands Whitesnake, Saxon and/or Megadeth?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Bloody ‘ell Nappers

    *is now scared of Napoleon*

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    That looks terrible.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    WHADDUP, Grogee!

    No Saxon, Whitesnake or Megadeth, I’m afraid. Sadly, it’s the likes of W.A.S.P., Queenryche and The Quireboys.

    I’ve seen Queensryche before, and they’re SHIT.

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    That looks terrrible, and I have never even heard of any of those bands.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    What makes it worse is the fact it’s being held in a 1950s Welsh holiday camp.

    Awful rock fans + awful rock bands + Belsen-On-Sands = misery for muggins

  • grogee
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Ha! Napoleon’s going to watch W.A.S.P.!
    How fitting! Maybe if they reformed they would become J.A.S.P.E.R.
    Christ it looks like something out of 28 Days Later…

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Alas Fiona, I am not a lady (that’s the missus’ job). I never thought of FawnDoo as being all that feminine a name when I started using it online but as you’re far from the first to think that I’m a woman, maybe I should have gone for something more masculine. “Lord Grrrr”, perhaps?
     
    P.S. Yes, all covered in wasps, and little stickers with flags on them.

  • grogee
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Can I asked what posessed you to buy tickets for such an aural battering, Napoleon?
    I like a bit of shite rock as much as the next man, but that is like spending a weekend in Bruce Dickinson’s faeces…
    Terrorvision, for fuck’s sake!

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    “Voodoo Johnson”? If I ever have to go into witness protection, that’s the name I’m asking for.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    I like the accommodation “1 bedroom 5 persons £575″
    The mind boggles…

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Ooh, I hope that Terrorvision play tequila. And that one off of it’s your letters on TFI Friday.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone know how many shows Kyle has done to date?

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Voodoo Johnson sounds like a great name Fawny. I might have stolen that from you if swineshead hadn’t already donated me a fantastic pseudonym.

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Nick – too many?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    That wasn’t Terrorvision, was it?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure that was Terrorvision, Mel. It was some terrible indie-funk lot with a lumbering Vernon Kay-a-like front man.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    NC. Monster Magnet are okay… Dumpy’s Rusty Nuts? Christ, are they still going?
     
    The rest of the line up is awful though, Ratt… Terravision, Jesus wept on my shoes…
     
    Westbrook 1. Hard stool
    Westbrook 2. Occupied
    Westbrook 3. Followed through
    Westbrook 4. Cystits

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Grogee – I’m not paying for it. I’m going for nowt, courtesy of Classic Rock magazine.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    In fact, it was Reef.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    *quick look at Google*
     
    Reef!

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Queensryche are bloody awful live Naps, strangely, W.A.S.P are actually awesome-not Saxon awesome, but certainly ‘Exploding Codpiece’ awesome…

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Fourstar got there before me, and managed to make it not sound like a warning being shouted from the crows nest.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Piqued – Fun, eh? I’m particularly looking forward to seeing Queensryche again. The last time I saw ‘em was at Monsters of Rock and they were the worst thing on the line-up. And that’s saying something considering Deep fucking Purple were headlining.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Jesus Christ, I’d forgotten about DP, was it proper DP or did they have that bloke from Kansas in by then? altogether now “Carry on my wayward soo-ooonnnn”…

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Interceptor – Are they radical as well? And skill? Are they Goonies-good? Michael J Fox- good? Frickin’ 80s frickin’ Weid Science frickin’ ALF frickin’ ninja-good?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Odd. According to this list its 1235…….

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Well, I prefer to think that those awful songs were sung by Terrorvision, cos it makes me happy. I also like to credit soundgarden with similar shite, and hhave resolutely stuck to that gun in the face of a mountain-like evidence to the contrary.
     
    Also, as someone that does not play poker, does throwing in one’s chips mean that you want to have a go or that you are giving in? It has been vexing me since 1.38 (2.38 my time)

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

     
    NC, I know you and I don’t always see eye to eye but you have my sincere sympathies. For the most part you’re attending just about every band found unloved in a Woolies bargain box.
     
    And then there is the ‘Wales’ issue.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Well, W.A.S.P are possibly the most 80’s metal thing this side of motley ’shitbag’ crue, so yes, yes, I reckon they are. Strangely, I imagine Queensryche to be a strangely 90’s concept despite their 80’s origins. Incidentally, they are from Seattle, so I directly blame them for Grunge-Queensryche ruined music.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Theory is that WASP stands We Are Sex Perverts.
     
    Oh Christ, Tigertailz!! AHAHAHAHAHA.
     
    (sorry)

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Mel: throw your chips in, make a bet. Throw your cards in, give up. or “fold”. </patronising>
     
    Ooh, I right want to go and listen to Strangelove now. I am also petrified of Napoleon, Jamie – these look like those proper sacrificing virgins and seas of gob type bands, not the cuddly metal that scared the weebles out of me as a stupid child. Iron Maiden and the like.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Piqued – I know. Wales? Nobody likes Wales.

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    JRME – surely the Seas of Gob was a concept album and tour by the Buzzcocks, or the 60 foot dolls?
    Thanks. I am naive when it comes to most forms of gambling.

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    I am going to Cardiff next Monday, which I have never found to be that bad, Nappers

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    I don’t suppose there’ll be any Rilo Kiley or Crowded House playing then. Does everyone who attends have to wear one of those big black leather trenchcoats?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Mel – I went to Cardiff in 2000. Bloody awful, it was. I enraged the Welsh in a boozer with my reworking of Land of Hope and Glory (Land of misery and despair - Wales! Wales! Wales!), and my friend nearly got beaten up by an ex-Welsh rugby international star.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Jamie – I’m not wearing a big black leather trenchcoat. The last one I went to I wore a Beatles t-shirt. Didn’t go down well at all. This year I’m thinking of buying a Carpenters t-shirt. Or an ELO one.

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Better yet, Nappers, you should wear a Jedward T-shirt, or a JLS one.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Carly Simon!

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Will the Lighthouse Family be doing a set?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Wonder if there’s any Daphne and Celeste T-shirts still about?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Perfect tee shirt for you naps

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    I’m seeing an advert for Twitter up the top of this page, like I need any further encouragement to waste hours of my employer’s paid-for time telling my friends about my imminent poo.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Reef!

    It’s your letters, it’s your letters!

    Fucking hilarious.

    *throws in chips*

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    W.A.S.P did a song called Fuck Like A Beast. I remember the cover of the  7″ single well.

    Tasteful!

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t they sing “Place your hands on my hole” or am i imagining that?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    And if so, what hole were they talking about?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Run your fingaz through my soul – ALRIGHT NOW.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Hmmm … that Lady Ga Ga t-shirt’s nice, but I’m not sure it’d have the impact of a Black Lace t-shirt. Or a Tight Fit one.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    ***ponders

    The old tour t-shirt is a funny one isn’t it?
    We’ve all probably got one..but do we actually wear it?
    It’s the same as wearing a football team’s shirt ain’t it?

    ***ponders

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Is that link safe for work, swineshead?
    Also, I don’t get adverts on the banner anymore. Is this because I am a Forren?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    ***ponders

    It’s a tribal thing really ain’t it? A sort of a late 20th/early 21st Century statement of allegiance.

    ***Continues to ponder.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Your work might have an ad blocker, Mel… and the link’s pretty safe.

    Tour ‘t’ shirts aren’t really the thing any more, are they?

    Speaking of band t shirts, anyone see the Iron Maiden berk on Come Dine With Me?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    If tour t-shirts aren’t the thing any more, how will bands make any money? I suppose they’ll have to move into china figurines.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Ugh, please stop with the Reef. Giving me mid-90s mid-teenage opprobrium. *hoots “wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill” at anyone in glasses*
     
    Oh, you have.
     
    It’s an interesting point, DINLT – when did the tour or indeed band tshirt flip from cool to insanely uncool? I think it was the moment Rachel on Friends wore an MC5 tshirt.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Pilchard – you are correct. They call it ‘Porcelain Merch’ in the biz…

    Here’s one of Cheryl Cole used to promote her smash, We’ve Got To Fight Fight Fight Fight Fight For This Love.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    I wonder what the first tour t-shirt was?

    ***still pondering.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Off topic, but how do people manage to to get those links in comments so that you click on a highlighted word instead of having to paste the link. I can do it on my blog but in my comment box here the insert/edit link icon is greyed out

    *is a computer idiot*

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Alesha Dixon commemorative ‘The Boy Does Nothing, Absolutely Nothing’ china figurine.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    The Alexandra Burke ‘The Bad Bad Boys’ china figurine.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    And for Olly Murs forthcoming debut solo single – ‘I’m Alright Jack, ‘Alf a Pound o’ Treacle’ – another commemorative figurine.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Give Armstrong+Miller another series, DINLT, and they’ll probably explore that issue in their hilarious ongoing sketch series “Cavemen do sort of modern things or something”
     
    Please can everyone watch Cowards to see that gag done properly? Apart from Swines who probably won’t like it at all because they’re posh Oxbridge types.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Those figurines are smashing.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Good Afternoon. I think a contender for the first Tour T-Shirt may have been Orpheus’ “To Hades & Back” Tour.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    ***still pondering

    I think they began in the eighties.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    The first football match I ever went to, I wore a scarf and a rosette! What ever happened to rosettes….?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Google gives only 15 results for “Porcelain Merch”, so it can’t be a very big business yet. S’all am sayin yo.

    *dashes off letter in green ink to Dragon’s Den*

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Porcelain rosettes – now there’s a thought.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    I’ve got an itchy arse.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Hello Thumps! What about God’s “I’ll Rest On The Seventh Day” tour tee?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Hello Pilch. That was a hell of a tour. I’ve got the live album “No Sleep Til Sabbath”.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    My dad bought me back a tee-shirt from the 1969 Isle of Wight festival..wish I knew what happened to it.
     

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    all of those statuettes seem to have far too many clothes on to be truly reprasentative of the modern Postrel.
    I would have made this point ages ago, but our internet is on the blink this afternoon.
    WRT tour t-shirts, they must have existed before the 80s surely? or are all those rolling stones ones you see modern rip offs? *Calls Antiques Roadshow*

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Local Tesco store, is selling 40 PG Tips for 95p and 80 for 2.12! 160 is 3.00, I bought 160. I wonder if it is some sort of IQ test?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Swineshead’s just told me off for ignoring his e-mail. This is what you don’t see, readers. He’s a bloody tin-pot dictator behind the scenes.

    See these whip marks on me back? See?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    *moves one foot slightly forward, removes hat, bends graciously so that hat’s feather brushes lightly across the very ground that Thumper walks on*

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    The email I sent was a fat woman dressed as Chun Li off of Tekken. It’s time sensitive, and Napoleon chose to ignore it.

    See what I have to put up with?

     

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    As my mother would say:
    “Pack it in the pair of you, otherwise I’ll come up there and bang yer bloody heads together”

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    From the Isle of Wight eh Nick? that would be a great thing to have. It also means that I will have to retract my eighties theory.
    BTW: Is your radio show on i player? (Nick).
    I missed it last night.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Ahem, my email regarding bandcamp?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    The one I replied to Nick? And am in the middle of sorting out, Nick?

    This one, Nick?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    It is DINLT. I’m going to put edited highlights i.e. just the bits with me in, up on my website tonight. Poor foreign types can’t watch the iplayer in thier country, the poor sods
     

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Which website Nick? You have more than one. Perhaps you could homogenise them!?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    My main one, the one you go to when you click on my name.
    Won’t be up until later tonight though.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    I was addressing Naps SH.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Oh.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Nick – I couldn’t be arsed to reply to your e-mail. I haven’t even clicked on that bandcamp link.

    How’s THEM fucking onions?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    You remembered though. I find that touching..

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Baseball caps..? When did they start? 80’s or 90’s?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    The thing is baseball is not big here is it?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    I’ll give you that.

    So what’s this all about, this bandcamp thingie? Will it make me as rich as Sir Elton John? Or him with the daft hair off of ELO and the Travelling Raspberries?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    It might it might not but it’s worth a punt. It’s free so ….

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    DINLT – i think the rise of the baseball cap as a fashion item started in the UK on the cusp of the 80s/90s. I believe it had been big in the US for many more decades than that.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    William Hague invented the baseball cap.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    That, and “baseball cap” sounds better than “rounders bonnet” when you’re trying to sell the things.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t the Baseball Cap effectively arrive in the UK in 1986 or so with Run DMC and the Beastie Boys?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Yep Mel, the old baseball cap is an essential part of americana, going back to whenever. Not necesarily baseball teams either. Rap music I guess,introduced them here as a fashion item.

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Yup, i think you are right – the rise of the baseball cap and rap music did go hand in hand.
     
     

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    I used to have a Beastie Boys Baseball Cap, as I had a Hip Hop Phase in the 80s. In fact, I was actually briefly cool between September and November 1987 when I had the 1st Public Enemy album before hardly anyone had heard of them.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Is Des O Connor still alive?
    Can one get a Des o Connor tee shirt?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    No US pres. would be seen without wearing one at some stage.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Hey, I know an interesting thing about baseball caps. You know the hard hats that construction workers wear? They’re the shape they are because builders used to dip baseball caps in tar and let the tar harden.
     
    The American fireman’s distinctive helmet shape derives from two baseball caps worn at once, one facing forwards, and the other facing backwards.
     
    Hooray for hot tar.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    What about British hard hats? Are they just copies of the American ones then?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    They are indeed, Nick. If you watch some of the wonderful old documentary shorts from the BFI such as Shipyard (Paul Rotha, 1935), you will see that the British craftsman traditionally relied on his flat cap and a cigarette in matters of health and safety. Shipyard is particularly notable for the way the men nonchalantly throw white-hot rivets to each other.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    I wonder why no British person thought of dipping a flat cap in some hot tar? I suppose we were too busy inventing the hovercraft, the jet engine and the teasmaid.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    I think it would be fun if we all wore stetsons. Say what you like the US, but you can go there and wear any manner of headwear and not look out of place.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    That’s democracy!

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Surely they are the shape they are because the dome affords the most head protection by giving, as it does, a crush space to act as a shock absorber of any impact of falling debris, while at the same time having some structural rigidity. And the peak at the front is to afford some protection to the eyes?
     
    I have no wish to piss on your baseball cap fact parade pilch, but there seem to be very few designs that would fulfill this brief.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    I have a DVD Box Set of some of those old BFI documentaries Pilch, it’s incredible stuff. I particularly like the one where an employer decides that, in order to fill a vacancy, he will take the enormous risk of hiring someone registered at the Labour Exchange.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    What is it with people that work in music shops.
    I’ve just been making enquiries about 12 string guitars. I’m interested in some that are between 2 to 3 grand and the guy spoke to me like I was a piece of shit!
    HE can stuff it!
    YES  OASIS MUSIC IN RINGWOOD, YES YOU!!!
    Stuff it mate….

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    The peaks aren’t that big on hardhats are they. They’re massive on baseball caps.
     
    *gives Pilch the skunk eye*

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Just before i left that Sceptered Isle, the BFI had a brilliant series on about all the public service broadcasts over the years, from a gentle one telling an old fella what to look out for while reverse parking in the early 50s, through Tufty the squirrel and the green cross code man, right up to Charley and the stranger danger. It was great.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    I’d no idea that 12 String guitars were so expensive, Nick. Why don’t you just get two six string guitars? Or three basses?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    If only life was that simples Thumper….

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Some bastard had a twelve string guitar in the pub the other week. Thankfully, he only played it for a couple of minutes.

    People who play guitars in pubs should be burned alive.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Or exiled to Welsh holiday camps….

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Chandler guitars Nick.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    He’s a twat as well DINLT. An arrogant one.
    *goes home grumpy*

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Reef have announced they’re reforming.

    Thank fuck for that.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Good news for the parrotfishes indeed.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Yes, Thumper, it’s a brilliant set, and the labour exchange one is a beaut. I also like the one about life in the fens (it’s miserable) and the one about the town planner who is going to rid Dunfermline (? I think) of all its hideous old buildings and put up lovely concrete ones instead. But Shipyard is wonderful: the way the ship rises from nothing to loom over the town – a town entirely supported by the building of the ship.
     
    Missing from the set though is a very fine Coal Board film about shovels and shovelling, which is funny at first, but then reminds you about what an incredible job miners did, and how important it was to our (bad old) economy.
     
    Fans of boring old documentaries will either loath or loath this stultifying film and its dreadful music.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Early baseball caps had shorter peaks than the modern variety: check out the dudes in the 1867 woodcut here.
     
    And Mel, all hat brims protect the eyes. Baseball caps were cheap, hence you could dip one in some tar. You wouldn’t do that with your best derby.
     
    It would be all so much simpler if you’d just believe everything I say.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Anyway, look at the size of the brim on this hard hat. I rest my case.
     
    *hopes no one asks why hard hats are yellow when hot tar is black because doesn’t have an answer*

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    What a shame that we don’t still have forward-thinking types turning up in our towns and cities and telling us our old buildings needed sweeping away in favour of a dual carriageway and underpass system. Those were the days.

    *looks at old photos of now demolished buildings and gets a bit miserable*

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    pilch, I am not saying that I don’t believe you, but as I said before, I would still argue that it would be very difficult to change the shape and still meet the brief of head protection.
     
    And they are yellow now because it is easier to see them if you have put them down on a coal heap. (this might not be an actual fact)

  • Fiona Mayhem
    Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    On the other hand, Nappers, as you were arguing the other day, to not modernise condemns people to living in cold unhealthy slums, and having to shit in a row with their neighbours in an outdoor privvy.
     
    Also, I am pretty sure there are still lots of road extension/expansion plans going ahead.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Except, Mel, that a lot of the replacements for the slums became slums themselves pretty quickly, and have themselves since been pulled down and replaced by traditional housing (eg Hackney Wick).
     
    It’s true that those old dox do show the unsanitary state of much British housing, and the filth of the air in industrial areas, but they also show kids playing in the street and people talking to each other.
     
    The main goals of the Dunfermline planner (as I remember them) were to segregate industrial and residential areas, relieve traffic congestion, and open up green spaces. Now that our dirty industries have declined (or been shifted to other countries), the benefits of living miles away from your work are not so clear – especially as all those relief roads actually helped to push traffic levels up.
     
    One sad thing about this film is that it backs up its claim about traffic congestion by showing a deserted street with one truck temporarily inconvenienced by a parked car. Otherwise the place is empty.
     
    Well, I suppose it’s easy to be wise with hindsight. On the other hand, I wouldn’t want to take the blame for Coventry.
     
    I’m not saying I know the answer to all these problems, by any means. And as an equal opportunities hater, I despise Poundbury too.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Another hat-stiffening hat: hatmakers used to use mercury to stiffen the brims of felt hats. That’s where the saying “mad as a hatter” comes from.
     
    That is the second of my hat-stiffening hats.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    I seem to have used the word “hat” instead of “fact” there twice. Time for me to unplug, obviously.

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    How do they get the cranes off of the top of skyscrapers once they’ve finished building ‘em?

  • Posted November 23, 2009 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Immac.

  • Posted November 24, 2009 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    That made me snort tea everywhere, SH.
     
    *mops up tea*

  • Posted November 24, 2009 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    I’m sorry about that.

  • Posted November 24, 2009 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Those cranes are clever, they dismantle themselves

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